Anthony Martial

Discussion in 'Transfer News' started by boo, Aug 8, 2014.

  1. TheSpurEST Well-Known Member

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    Oh god, PLEASE let it be true :D ! This would be fookin ultimate-hillarious :D

    IF (and that is a HUGE if) - this is true, they could come for Kane next window. One Ligue 1 goal costs around 10M euros, let's say PL goal is worth 1,5 times that. So 21 goal-per-season Kane would cost them 315M € !

    So here is your stadion money, Daniel ! :D
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    So true, United will never be taken seriously in the transfer market again after this! They have done us a huge favour by forking out such a ridiculous fee for Martial, if they ever come looking for Kane or Lloris, Levy can just point to that number and laugh!
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    I heard it was €36m.......we could have bought him earlier in the Summer for €20m allegedly.
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    I think he would have been sold for €20-25m this summer if he had not renewed his contract. The renewal ended any chance we had of signing him. Who knows what the actual price was, but the €80m number being floated around is absolute insanity, even considering the new contract. He would basically have be the next Sergio Aguero to justify that price.
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    As hilarious as it would be to see him be a total flop, that would just mean United come back for Kane next summer. Lets hope he becomes just good enough to keep in the team.
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    They have a bonus if he wins the Ballon D'Or apparently
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    Thought €36 was way way too much. Now I hear it's POUNDS and rising. Is this real life?
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    Well, I am fairly upset Man U ended up with Martial. From a football standpoint, I think Martial would have been huge for us. I think he will be a success in the PL and believe he stands a fairly good chance of becoming a real star for Man U and in the PL.

    He was one of the young players I really wanted here when he was being linked to Spurs. I think he's got so much skill. However, after he signed a new contract with Monaco I really thought he'd be staying there.

    But really, how could they have turned down 36 million POUNDs!? Man U payed so much more than his probably current value. Monaco did really well for themselves here.

    Now sure Martial stands a fairly good chance of eventually and actually being worth that 36 mil or perhaps more, but I do think it will take a couple of years and I certainly don't think there were many teams that could have matched that transfer fee. I am assuming Monaco really had no intention to move Martial until they saw this offer.

    So as much as I would have liked Martial here, can't really argue against how things worked out and certainly cant blame Levy or whomever else for not paying that huge fee.
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    Depends if you think 10% to 15% is a fairly good chance. This kid has done nothing to suggest it's likely he'll ever be worth 36 million pounds.
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    Kids agent must have shit a brick this afternoon. £36m for a 19 year old?

    Though, we did pay £26m for a 21 year old... which isn't that much better, though arguably more proven.
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    Hrm. I don't think you generally "do something", at his age, to suggest your ceiling. I think a players prospected ceiling is a combination of factors, many intrinsic.

    I do think he has done and shown enough to suggest he can one day be a top player at his position. I would guess monetary value relative to his position is separate from potential ability ceiling. Value being more dependent upon market.
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    Those are two huge years of growth. A 21 year old is more developed than a 19 year old moreso than a 23 year old is than a 21 year old. It's a massive 2 years of development.
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    That's like +8 points on FIFA over those two years (unless somebody loans and recalls him to reset his growth cap). Even there that's a lot.
    kawa,
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    We are being heavily linked with him again at the moment. I've always liked him and was disappointed when we were unable to sign him from Monaco, but is he really that much better than Sonny? I'd say Son has actually been better than Martial over the last couple of seasons. But maybe Martial has suffered from not having the faith from his manager and Poch can realize his true potential. I wouldn't be unhappy if we signed him as he clearly has real quality, but it does seem like a position that isn't a massive priority to me. I mean he's a fast attacking player, who usually plays from the left and can also cover as a striker, which is pretty much exactly what Son is. Maybe Poch thinks he's a better finisher than Son and could be a Salah like goal threat for us?
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    I think of him more as a striker that has been playing as a winger. Son more of a winger who can play striker. I think the ability is there. If he's a Spurs type character then I think it can work. And Pochettino wouldn't let this get past the "hmmm" stage if he weren't. I don't think we are going to turn up the next Salah or De Bruyne, but you never know. Being sold on by Mourinho is almost proof of quality.
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    I believe Poch values the close control Martial has which could help in the final third. In addition to Son's ability to finish the two of them should pair nicely with Kane.
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    This is a catch 22 for me, because as you said he is primarily a LM/ST just like Son. Both of them are there about ability wise right now, Martial has the higher potential and age on his side and no potential mandatory Military Service to fulfill. I could maybe see it as detrimental to Son similarly to when Sanchez was to Martial when he arrived, as Martial almost completely dropped off in the second part of the season.

    However, I think a better question and one I think applies to this situation shouldn't be if he is better than Son, but instead is he better than Lamela, Sissoko, and Llorente which I 100% think he is and it isn't even close.

    I made a point in another thread about discarding excess and concentrating on superior players with versatility so that they can get plenty of minutes. Lamela, Sissoko, and Llorente combined got 2450 minutes and provided 4 goals and 3 assists. That is simply a horrible return on time spend on the pitch for a top team. With Lucas and Martial we would be more than covered for attacking slots behind Kane once you include Son, Eriksen, and Alli making it 5 players for 3 spots and 3 players in Kane, Martial, and Son for the ST spot.

    We can basically sell Lamela, Sissoko, Llorente, Jansen, and N'Koudou and replace them all with Martial. That is like £60Mil in sales and about 160K in salaries that one player replaces.
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  19. Why Do We Bother? Well-Known Member

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    Does the fact there about 3 different opinions on this thread about where he actually plays not raise any concerns?
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    To be fair, all those guys except Lamela can be sold whether or not we buy Martial.

    Martial is an upgrade on Lamela, but do they even play the same position? Son and Martial are primarily left sided players and Moura and Lamela are primarily right sided players. Dele and Eriksen are more up the middle. There’s some fluidity there, but I think it’s a fair challenge to ask whether Martial is going to take more of Son’s minutes while Moura would end up with a departed Lamela’s minutes.
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    To a certain extend that is true, but you need capable quality to replace those departing to move forward, if we want to stay stationary keeping Lamela and selling of the rest is the way to go, but you aren't really accomplishing anything when it comes to improving the team. That is why I am including Lamela among those players he is part of the status quo, he isn't going to improve us. I rather get rid of him and distribute those minutes to better players.

    There could be some concern in regards to Son's and Martial's minutes, which is why I would have preferred to get a RM instead who is versatile, i.e. Bale. But I think next season we might see a more offensive line up with Eriksen dropping deeper and us trying 2 striker formations, where Martial would play a crucial part along with Son in the same line up.

    Sort of a 4-2-2-2 system where Kane could also drop into the #10 position if needed allowing for a very aggressive counter attacking line up with pace and danger from deep. Kane not only has an eye for a pass, but also ability so him shifting into the #10 spot wouldn't be a issue. The pace when releasing Lucas or Son on the wings with Martial looking to get in behind and Kane and Eriksen trailing and looking for a cut back to blast it from out side would be a frightening prospect for any team.

    Dier - Eriksen
    Lucas -----------------Son
    Kane - Martial​
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    It's an interesting thought. I've often liked when Eriksen drops deeper as we move the ball so slow through the midfield. I think my ideal solve to that though is to get a CM who plays the ball quicker and keep Eriksen further upfield, where his inability/unwillingness to tackle won't get us into trouble.
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    Don't forget Dele! No chance he's on the bench.

    I fear we would be overpowered in midfield. Lucas and Son like to dribble and are prone to losing the ball. Eriksen is not the strongest tackler and I feel Dier would be unable to cover the whole width of the pitch in the event we lost posession in midfield; this would probably lead to one of our CB's being drawn out of formation ...... and we all know what happens next.

    If Martial comes in, its clear Son will be out.
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    Thats the issue with so many players these days, they are not specialist in one position which means you lose some quality, by filling in , in positions because they have pace.

    Martial hasnt shown enough for a manager who demands the best, hasnt even made the French WC squad, and is not a better option than Son currently.
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    That’s was my thinking too, but if Pochettino thinks he has a plan for him and he can unlock the talent that’s hidden in there then I suppose we trust that plan.
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    I don't see why, unless you are assuming Son will have to do his National Service. Son is only four years older than Martial, puts in more effort and is the better player. I like Martial but there is no guarantee that he will get sunstantially better, it's just potential at the moment.
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    If this is true and we don’t walk away from this deal completely I’m going to be slightly perturbed.
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    Neither did Kevin De Bruyne or Mo Salah, and look what happened there.
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    People moaning about potentially having too much quality depth now. Heard it all.
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