I've Got This Perception That Other Teams Have Worked Us Out .... ?????

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    The last 4 games in the prem have all been played whereby the opposition have hassled and hustled us so that we cannot spend any time on the ball .... in Europe this doesn't happen .
    So that when we are allowed time on the ball we are super creative but when we are constantly pressed our passing suffers .
    The answer is to do lots of work off the ball and to always have spare players for options. Not easy I know , but we have to get our heads around the problem


    Any of you think the same ?
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    Bang on rev.

    We need to up the workrate and movement off the ball.
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    When our strength is pace, and we play with none. We are just an average looking side. Imagine having to deal with it every week, like Everton etc. Talented footballers, but nothing unique and easy to nullify.
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    The problem is Harry hasn't yet worked out how other teams have worked us out. That's the more fundamental issue.
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    Spot on! Thought this for a while. Sometimes we need a plan B or plan C. I always gave Harry credit for being able to change shape and plan but don't know what has happened last four games.
    Look at Jose seriously studies opposition and plays accordingly. We need to do the same!!
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    I think people are able to nullisfy us if our wingers arnt both on it.

    If one is they double up and cut him out the game.

    If they are both on fire teams cant double up on both can they.

    It means that our forwards are either not making the right tuns to be picked out from a central position (changing our angle of attack) or that our midfielders aint able to pick them out as they are swamped or shit.
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    At the moment I'm trying to work out what plan A is....
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    Harry doesn't know that we know that they know what we know.
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    [MENTION=5996]thornton3[/MENTION] How do you know ?
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    I read it somewhere that Harry doesn't know that we know that they know what we know. And I know that.
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    I know and you know so Arry must know .
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    Well , now 'Arry knows he can put it right .
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    Yes teams HAVE worked us out. But that's since all our attacks come from wingers and there's no major threat of goals from our strikers. A lot of the time, they can't even convert the crosses provided by wingers and are so used to Harry constantly using wing attacks that they've forgotten what central play is.

    Until there's a bit more variance with where play is executed, teams are of course going to work us out.
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    [MENTION=5260]Rev John Ripsher[/MENTION] maybe to an extent but i think we are still passing the ball quite well. even in the last four games. for me this season has been about our lack of form up front, thats all. i genuinely believe our squad has created more chances than any other club in the premiership. sort our front line out and at least a new RB and i think this squad have enough ability to challenge for the title next season.
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    at the moment teams cancel us out because most of our goals come from the wingers, so they can double up on both the wingers and leave the front man by himself because he wont score!!!

    we failed this season by not buying a Striker in January tbh
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    Either that, or we failed by not firing/talking to Les Ferdinand. I don't know what he's teaching them there or if he's even training them at all.
    I mean, Levy was quick enough to fire Hans Segers (former goalkeeping coach) due to Gomes terrible start to his Spurs career, but when the strikers aren't being productive, nobody asks questions of the striking coach?

    Anyone wish to explain?
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    Great point dave this is something we should all be asking.
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    dave

    ps

    it was Hans Segers*


    but I think his firing went with the rest of the Jol/Hughton gang. Hardly any backroom staff were kept when Ramos came in. A new manager wants to bring in his own assistant and coaches, especially one who is foreign and more likely to be the "arrogant" type.
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    Well, my only thought behind it is that Levy has almost handed 'full' control to Harry. If he was to sack Les, I don't think Arry would be best pleased.
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    Let me tell you Dave, next to nothing came from the wings at Wigan mate , we simply didnt have any, and yet on the bench was Lennon , Pienaar, Krancjar & Rose , with Lennon & Krancjar coming on late , they made no difference because they didnt play as wingers , so the strikers got no service tbf.
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    Which illustrates my point. The strikers should be able to switch between wing service and central play to give defences more to think about. As it stands, all that opponents have to think about is Bale and Lennon because they know we rely on them all of the time. Therefore, when there's no service from the wings, there's no attack and we're 'blunt' upfront. So much in fact that our formation might as well be 4-1-5
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    Didn't help having two hans :p
    One hans made way for the other ;)
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    And I didnt even realize Leitert was sacked, I had thought it was Segers.......until I just googled it and read the article, a bit confusing for sure. Segers sacked in 2007, Leitert sacked in 2008.
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    There's not much secret to the way we play, the thing is we depend too much on the form of our key player. Bale, Modric, Lennon and VdV. When they are all in form we are pretty much unbeatable. As of late, none of them has been (except Modric maybe)
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    Actually we havent failed yet! still what, 8 more games? we decide then if we have failed or not! Maybe our strikers are saving there goals for the final cut of the season, whoooo knows :001_005:lol
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    well then les did a great job last year didnt he! Peter Crouch 8 goals, Defoe 18 goals, Pav 5 goals.. not that bad isnt it? Im beginning to realize that its just our strikers shite form! You give them great balls into the box, and they dont finish them off, what more can you ask? Im sure if we had Doyle, Elmander, Gyan, or Bent with us this season ( just examples of a lower team striker that probably would have finished all the scoring chances that our strikers missed) they would have 15+.

    Hopefully since crouches double on the weekend, that will not only give him confidence, but also pav and defoe confidence that you can actually strike ( or head) the ball into the back of the net!!!!!!!!!
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    Elmander would miss many chances, he has missed many for Sweden, trust me. Doyle is nice though, he is respected by all Swedes
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    IMO with the exception of Pav our strikers are two one dimensional when it comes to scoring goals. We need someone with a bit more flair and skill.
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    we have a lot off options going forward we have azza and bale tomys brilliant passing ability luka having the ability to run with the ball and great something out off nothing and then we have plan b with the long ball to crouch and he can get it down to rafa
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    Which is really nothing to be proud of at a club like ours.
    Football means mostly playing with the feet on the ground, not the head in the air.

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