January Transfer Strategy

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  1. BC87X Well-Known Member

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    Well with a month or so to go before the January transfer window opens I am slowly getting anxious as to whom we might be interested and what our approach to the transfer window will be like. As of right now to me our team looks and plays phenomenal and personally I really wouldn't want to integrate to many new players.

    Everyone knows defense is our number one concerned especially with the injuries and aging players we have I would like that issue to be solved with either Samba or Cahill as we could try to snatch on the cheap in 5Mil - 10Mil and only have them integrate into the team.

    Obviously that isn't our only concern since come season end Adebayor will probably go back to Shiteh and we will be left with Defoe and Pav with Pav likely to leave in January that would leave us with one striker. My hopeful approach to this issue would be going back after Rossi I know he is out for the season and with his contract running out at the end of the season I can see Villarreal a being allot more open to price negotiations and it would show him that we are truly committed to him and that we are big step up especially if we continue to play like we have and get CL football next year.

    I would have the same approach with another position and that is is our right wing since we really only have Lennon playing and GdS who isn't fancied much by Harry we are the thinnest there. I would got after another injured player in Farfan especially since he has been already touted by the club who is open to selling him in January.

    I think the positives of both Rossi and Farfan joining us in the off season instead of of January far out weight the negatives even if they would be fit. From adjusting to the new league to the pressure to automatically perform which could carry into the next season, which I now call Torres Phenomenon. In the mean while they would greatly benefit from gelling with the players in the off season and make the transition as smooth as possible. Add to that the cost for which we would be getting these players and to me it seems like a win-win situation since we strengthened our positions and saved a considerable amount of money.

    These are just some thoughts that I had it would be nice to hear what your guys thoughts on the upcoming window is and what you guys would do.
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    I dont believe Levy will splash the cash on January. Club finances are not good for huge transfers.

    Rossi might be fine if we can get a cheap deal. With his huge injury, everyone is probably waiting for the summer to transfer him.

    If we are going to play in CL, I believe we need someone better than Samba. They are asking too much for Cahill, so I dont see us making a deal on January. Maybe if Bolton is relegated this season, his price may reduce but then there will be lots of teams looking for him. I think we should invest to Caulker as CB instead.

    We have Pienaar who can play as right winger, Kranjcar can also fill that gap if needed. I dont think that RW is a crucial need.

    We definitely need a striker though. I dont see us signing Ade if he does not agree a huge blow on his wage. Pav will not see another February in WHL (I hope so!!!). I dont have a name on my mind now but we have to find someone who can both head and shoot the ball, preferably someone who is already playing English football.
    Maro,
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    Why is the clubs finances not good for a big transfer?
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    I think Kaboul has made our weak defense look a lot stronger this season. He can be a good CB for us with Dawson. It'd be nice to add another, but I'm becoming more and more comfortable with Kaboul in the game.

    To me, our biggest need is striker. I don't think we can meet Ade's pay grade, which sucks cause he wants to be here. I think we need to add two strikers. For january we should bring in a versatile striker like Farfan or Hernandez and then in the summer when Ade is leaving sign a more traditional striker like Negredo or Llorente.

    There's also the whole Rafa deal. Some love him, some hate that we need to adapt to make him work. I say we just get used to playing the 4411 or 4231 and bring in another vdv type player. This kid who replaced pastore, Ilicic, he's a beast and it'd be great if we could get him.

    Otherwise yea, this is Redknapp so we'll hear him talk about every player for every club. Levy will leave it to the last minute and we'll get something like Moussa Dembele instead. He seems to be a good player, but not as good as any of our starting 11 atm. We'll probably also go for Cahill, but I think he's unnecessary.
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    I see a couple of little signings £2.5m & below. Basically young players 16-19.

    I cant see us buying a marquee striker & with the chavs struggling in defense I fear Cahill will go to them or the scum for the money.

    Daniel will not sanction a huge fee (& it will be huge) for Rossi or another top striker like Llorente as nobody knows what is going to happen with Harry (court case or England).

    It's a shame and I hope we dont end up falling behind come the new year.
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    Well, the only reason I think we might land a striker (though not at the level of Llorente or Rossi) is because I don't see Pav being here after January. He never plays and will almost certainly force a move. I think someone more at the level of Doumbia (still expensive, though not as much as Rossi, etc.) will be where we look if indeed Pav leaves. We cannot afford to have only Ade and Defoe as our strikers after the window closes. I also still think we could use another CB like Samba, particularly if Bassong heads to QPR.
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    Pav will definitely be gone. The club run the risk of losing him on a free in the summer.

    As well as Gomes & Gio since their deals run out in the summer as well.
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    if pav goes and the fee is right then it might be the right time for leandro. This is someone levy wouldnt see as a risk depending on price due to him being young and touted across europe meaning that any incoming manager would be alright with him coming in and also he would have a decent sell on fee even if he isnt wanted. Doumbia would also be a good shout as well.
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    Hopefully we get some striker back-up. Leandro would be ideal, as would Abel Hernandez, but I fear they will cost too much.

    I like the look of Agbonlahor actually. But I doubt Villa would sell. Papiss Cisse, Mandzukic, and Derdiyok are my picks from Germany. Giroud, Remy, and Gomis from the French League. From Italy, obviously Hernandez. Jovetic would be a good VDV/ winger cover.

    Just names to put out there.
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    We have £20m just in CCE....

    I'd reckon we have a conditional £35m to £40m to spend, and as always Levy/Lewis can inject the club with cash if they see the need. Don't confuse intentionally being frugal with not having the ability to spend, it could be the case that Levy wanted to see how the first half went before committing money on a big transfer.

    To the question we still need:

    Rotation #9 - Possibly someone young.
    Versatile Forward - Preferably someone who can play ST/RW/CAM
    Center Back - I'd prefer someone different then Cahill.

    Also for everyone suggesting Rossi. Rossi picked up a pretty serious injury, one that could possibly effect his career. I'm not sure this will have a long term effect but his price just dipped massively. Villarreal's league form isn't helping either. Villarreal without any European football cannot afford their squad, it's as simple as that. If this continues they'll be looking to sell.
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    Ah January, yet another month where I'll end it frustrated, crying and disappointed, much like when I visit prostitutes. I just can't think straight about our transfers, 'Arry surprised me as much as anyone else on how good a signing Parker and Ade actually are, and Friedel, top bloke.

    This window though? I don't know who I want, where I want said signings or anything, we're playing well, do we distrupt the harmony with big name signings or keep it basically the way it is, but with a few back-ups? I'm stuck.
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    Put it this way folks we need to move Pav, Bass and Gio. If we can't don't expect much movement. If we would have moved Bass and Gio the story of the summer transfer window would have been a little different. I'm convinced this isn't because we need the transfer fees but I think it's clear how Levy thinks, one out one in.
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    Unfortunately his two goals last night against shity will have hiked the price again but I'd still love to see us moving for Cavani. Hes a fantastic player and still got his best years ahead.
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    I never said we dont have money at the moment to spend bigtime. I just dont see our team spending £40m on one guy and look for other signings to strengthen the squad even more. Also, having that much money now does not mean we always have the potential of a £50m signing. To be honest, our income is not as much as our rivals. That's what I tried to mean by saying our finances are not good, it was a generic comment.

    Also, our management is not like the American, Arab, or Russian businessman, I dont think that he will borrow money to make transfers, especially when budget needed for a new stadium. And I totally agree with them, I believe they managed the club very well the last couple of seasons.
    Maro,
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    I hear what you're saying.

    Just to add though Lewis could easily afford to inject enough cash for a marquee signing but he probably won't. Stadium financing wouldn't necessarily hinder our ability to compete in the market, especially how we intend to fund it. If we can move a couple I wouldn't be surprised to see 2 or 3 signings totaling £35m. I think the frugal tag gets overblown a bit. If Atletico would have accepted our bid for Aguero we would have spent £40m last January, same with the £27m Rossi bid. In the summer we bid for A. Hernadez, Gervinho, Leandro and Dembele, all around £10m-£15m. I'm probably forgetting about others but those were bids confirmed by the clubs. I think we would spend but Levy is looking for reasonable deals. Our finances currently probably give him space to stretch a bit further but due to previous windows I'm not going to predict anything.
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    My thoughts on our needs:

    GK:
    I think we can obviously wait until the summer to sort this out. Gomes out in January, but Friedel has been phenomenal so far this season. Tim Howard's contract is out this summer, so we could make a run at him on the cheap. Some other names that I like: Steve Mandanda (capped for France), René Adler (Germany's #2 behind Neuer before his injury), and Fernando Muslera (Uruguay's #1).

    CB:
    Bassong needs to go, for me. With Gallas, King, and (apparently) Dawson all looking injury prone, that means we need another reliable, calming presence to play beside Kaboul. Samba would be my choice. I'm not crazy about Cahill, and his price has been jacked through the sky. Steven Caulker will come into the squad next year, so I think it's really just about getting another player to get us through this season who will be an improvement on Bassong.

    CM:
    Call me crazy, but I actually would like to see another one. This can wait till summer, but here are my thoughts. I just think that there's too big of a drop off from Modric and VDV to their replacements. Obviously, between Scotty, Sandro, and THudd, we're set in the defensive end, but I'd love to see another creative player who can control the tempo a little more. My top choice here would be Keisuke Honda, who can play anywhere in midfield and do it better than Steven Pienaar can. He would also bring in major revenue from Japan and the rest of Asia. If not Honda, then Martin. This would be a move that I don't think is necessary in January, but would love to see happen. Imagine a midfield with Parker, Modric, Sandro, Honda, VDV, and THudd all rotating regularly. Those are two full squads of midfielders. We could handle the CL hangovers much better than last year with that rotation.

    RM:
    I actually think Lennon has looked really good since coming back into the team this season. I still don't think it would hurt to have someone who can push him for playing time, though, and who can also step in for an injured Bale/Lennon without having a large drop off in talent. My choices would be either Marco Reus (who I've mentioned a couple other times) or Xherdan Shaqiri. They're both young and incredibly talented. Reus is absolutely lighting up the Bundesliga right now. I saw him live in one of the first games this season and was convinced that he would be a major purchase if he came to us. Both players can play on either wing, both can play in a good cross, and both can score some incredible goals. With Bale, Lenon, and Reus/Shaqiri on the wings, we'd be flying whether one of them is hurt or not!

    FW:
    Ah. Our favorite topic. I'm going to spend the next 9 months living in a dreamworld in my mind in which we sign Ade for the next three years. As for Pav replacements, Doumbia or Damião would do just fine for me. No to Podolski, no to Soldado. I'd be interested in making another move for Loïc Rémy, but I doubt it's in the cards. Again, since I'm pretending that we're going to definitely sign Adebayor, there's not a whole lot of thought that needs to go into this move for me. With Kane coming through soon, a third striker who will work when he plays instead of lazing around and shooting from 25 yards it will do.

    If we spread these purchases out over the January and Summer transfer periods, we wouldn't have to break the bank for anyone. I think addressing our depth is the last step necessary to make the jump from a CL team to an EPL championship contender. As much as I moan after each pundits claims that our depth will do us in this year... they're kind of right. Kranjcar, Pienaar, Livermore, Pav, Defoe, Bassong, and Corluka, while good players, just aren't close to the same level as the players in their respective positions in our starting 11. Sure, they're strong enough to be stars for mid-table teams, but we need them to be better than that. Buying players who will challenge for starting spots with our best is what will push us to the next level.
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    If we want a CM it's got to be Hernanes for me. It's a good point that if we're looking at the CL next season we have to start thinking about rotation and adding more creativity should be a concern. Obviously I wouldn't mind Honda but it's just a personal preference, I rate Hernanes very highly. Menezes has finally wised up and realized that Hernanes is his best central midfielder and probably still will be in 2014. Players like Ganso, Neymar, Oscar bring the flair but Hernanes is creative and efficient, gets the job done.

    Also Udinese has a few good midfielders and that's a club always looking to sell to stay above water financially.
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    Difficult to move all these but:

    Out:

    Pav
    Gomes
    Dos Santos
    Bassong

    In:

    Damiao
    Cahill

    That would certainly cost us some money but I don't think wages would be far of parity. Deal with Jenas and Bentley in the summer and hope that our young lads come good in the next year. Coulibaly replacing Defoe over time with Kane as an understudy for Damiao. If we get CL then certainly buy one more striker like Rossi.
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    Don't think we need that much changing really. People are talking about our backup not being on the same level as the starting line up. But who does? Even city have struggled without some players. If you sign 20 world class stars how you going to keep them happy? Our 1st 16 is very strong, another fw would be the main focus this window.
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    I dont think we will do any business.

    I think if Ade is offered cheap we may do it if not will have it hammered out ready for the close season and get it done then.

    Maybe a youngster or two to bolster the ranks but a marquee signing.............NO FOOKIN WAY.

    The only thing I am desperate to see is Pavs lazy arse sulk its way back to Russia. The sooner that lazy cnut is out the door the better IMO.

    Do we need anything in particular right now...........Maybe a bit of depth and or more quality at CB is where I see us maybe making some moves but again only at the right price.

    In Levy we trust.
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    I think we will do business depending on who is leaving. For instance, I see us selling Gomes, Pav and possibly Bassong, so we'll probably bring in 2 or 3 young lads as replacements for them.
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    I'm in the camp that doesn't see big money going out. If we accept that we need:

    * A striker to replace Pav and be better cover for Ade
    * A rotation CB to replace Bassong (I'm happy with King/Gallas and Kaboul/Dawson)
    * A versatile forward player to offer competition and depth

    I think we're looking at youth here.

    Striker

    Whoever we may bring in to replace Pav is not likely to displace Ade regularly up front this season which would mean we'd be bringing in someone with a view to seeing how they settle for the latter half of the season. If they settle well and step up then they can serve as direct replacement for Ade. If they look like they'll need time we look again for a direct replacement in the summer. Either way we won't be gambling too much financially on this player so I would think £10m, £15m absolute maximum on this. Examples: Pappis Demba Cisse, Leandro Damiao, Mario Mandzukic.

    Centre-Back

    It's a really tricky situation this one. When fit, King and Gallas are both excellent defenders, as is Dawson, but there are fitness question marks hanging over all of them. Say we bring in Samba/Cahill, they're going to want to be starting most matches. Accepting that, and that we're not going to not play King if he's fit, that means Kaboul drops down to rotation, possibly behind Gallas, when he's had a fantastic start to the season. If we say that this will probably be Gallas' last season as an effective first-choice CB, then we've already got Caulker waiting in the wings to step up so what we really need is a player to fill Bassong's spot as EL player/Prem back-up. Again, we have to be looking at youth here I think as we need a player who'll be happy to not be playing all the team. I also think we could do with a home-grown player to make sure we keep up with our quotas. Examples: I can't think of any. Probably looking to up-and-coming Championship CBs or lower-Prem. Maybe the likes of Ciaran Clark at Villa.

    Versatile Forward

    Again, I think youth will be the key here unless we can get a very good deal on someone like Kagawa. Names people have already mentioned like Ilicic, Shaqiri and Reus spring to mind but I don't think any of the kinds of players we want will be available in Jan for the price we want and I don't think this is a pressing need with Pienaar and Niko in the squad so I would be surprised if there was major movement here unless we can get a good deal or have to move to get in ahead of another club.
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    I think it will be the shitstorm battle over Modric again.

    As for out, everyone has mentioned the names that will be going out the door, Pav, Dos Santos, Bassong, Gomes, and im sure Levy will be looking to make the loanees permanent Bentley/Jenas.

    In defense Caulker could come into the squad for Bassong at the end of the season, Gallas and King are interesting, are they looking at retiring or do they want to keep playing? If 1 is retiring or moving on i wouldnt be adverse to Samba or Cahill. I havnt heard much of Khumalo since his loan so not sure if he is possibility or not with how far hes progressed.

    Midfield, no changes, have cover here and some good youth prospects, got Pienaar, Kranjcar, Huddlestone, Sandro all on the bench, young players like Townsend, Carroll, Livermore waiting for an opportunity.

    Strikers, Adebayor will not take a pay cut, thats pretty much end of that story, there is no way levy is going to sanction a ludicrous wage, he will be going back to City, so Spurs need to look elsewhere, with Pav on the way out and Ade going back to ManC we will have Defoe up front so clearly there must be some irons in the fire so to speak already, we are constantly linked with Damiao in the media, its a maybe although his price tag might be a turn off for Levy, realistic targets ive seen mentioned are Doumbia and Dembele, Podolski maybe, Llorente maybe. Whatever the case i dont think Kane is ready to make the step up and having just Defoe up front would be a disaster so buying a striker is mission critical.
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    we will do something for sure if we keep losing all our remaining games till january....

    however if we are in such a good position and form like in the previous matches there wont be need to do much more unless adebayor and defoe both take major injuries then we will spend money for sure.

    lets hope something like this doesnt happen but we dont know now... christmas is always known for lots of injurys :eek:15:
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    A young FW would be ideal, a lad who knows he won't be a starting player but still have the chance; that's the kind of player Arry will be looking for. So, those big ego's wont make it here. A humble young lad.
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    january will most likely be that typical month. we're gonna sign everyone throughout the month..final day of the window comes and goes and nout happens..

    think the key is to wait till the summer especially if we manage to pull off champs league again. we will have to strengthen positions for rotation purposes as last time around although the champions league campaign was epic the league results suffered, also the lure of champions league footie can help to pull in the quality we need.

    however king, gallas and dawson scare me and bassong isnt great. dont think either gallas or king have much more left in them so samba would be a good replacement in january.

    dont think a striker is really necessary in jan unless its a younger lad so he can get fed into the prem and our formations. we are struggling to rotate ade, vdv and defoe as is.

    something like this would be nice by next summer

    keeper - howard
    def - samba
    versatile winger - ???
    striker - ade (perm), negredo
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    1) Podolski - Left footed striker in the same vein as Van Persie.
    2) Adebayor - Great target man, but unless city give him to us for free like they gave liverpool bellamy this wont happen.
    3) Marko Marin - can be in midfield and up front. He's a small messi like guy.
    4) Cahill - average defender who can bolster our defense that we can get on the cheap

    If we got these guys in I would be happy that we could finish third and have sufficient squad depth for champions league next year.
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    I'm still not convinced that any CB were looking it is worth it. If we bring them in, why should Kaboul move further down the pecking order than he already is? Again, in a healthy side he's 4th, that's insane. No one has that depth, and if we move him further down he'd want to leave ASAP, and that's a shame because he's already really damn good at age 25 (remember, a CB) and is STILL improving. I think we should sell one of the CB's fighting for the starting spot, along with Bassong, and THEN buy the new CB to start.

    Sell:
    Bassong
    Dawson

    This would leave us with: King, Kaboul, Gallas, Caulker next season. For me we could even do by this, but with CL that's questionable when considering Kings fitness. But even then we have solid 5th and 6th choices in Corluka and Thudd, which we would probably never get to.

    So, once selling Daws and Bass we can than buy that starting CB I.E. Samba. Because to have all these CBs in the same squad is just not right:
    1.Samba
    2.King
    3.Gallas
    4.Dawson
    5.Kaboul
    6.Caulker
    7.Bass
    backup: 8.Corluka, 9.Thudd

    We can say goodbye to having a club run properly by activating youth and developing players (Kaboul, Caulker) and become co*k-munchers like Chelscum.
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    Not a chance we sell Dawson and we would be fcuked if King or Gallas both got injured which is likely to happen because both are injury prone. What we need to do is sell Bassong and bring in a better all around CB.

    Gallas' contract ends in the summer and I dont think it's going to be renewed so we could be looking at having King, Dawson, Kaboul, Bassong (if he stays), Caulker, and a new CB. If Bassong leaves then that makes it easier for the new CB to slot in and get games, depending on how high profile that signing may be.

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