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    Thats all i needed to hear, speaking as someone who doesnt know what the financial side of this would cost…..its surely just as expensive to do this and take over the OS than getting the NDP.
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    The more this goes on, the more i hear, the more i am actually getting worried that we will be moving to E15.
    For me,the party will be over should this happen.It wont be the Football Club that has been a major part of my life since i can remember anymore.
    My Dad was from Tottenham, his Dad from (pre gooner) Islington, i am from Enfield.Tottenham is OUR local club(F off Arsenal, you sarf londoner Travellers),moving to a west ham area:18: is probably my biggest Nightmare.
    And the "It’ll still be THFC" comments dont wash with me.If Levy does do this to our great Club, i will never forgive him and pray he rots in Hell…..Not that i suppose he’ll loose any sleep over it

    MERRY CHRISTMAS
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    Sean, I agree that we are serious about moving East but I still don’t think it is going to happen. There are too many things that have to go our way that I just cannot see how it would be approved – if it were there will be far more than just Spurs fans who will be upset.

    When we bid for the Olympics we promised the committee that we would retain the track in the OS. If Spurs win, not only will the track go, we will knock down the entire stadium & build our own!!! If we ever want the Olympics to look us in the face again they surely cannot award us the OS. Then there are all the ex-Olympians who are pleading we don’t get it. They don’t have any influence in the vote but still, they would be in uproar if we did get the stadium. The council in which the stadium is situated are aligned with West Ham’s bid. Just how will that work if we win? We would surely have to seek some sort of planning permission if we wanted to knock down the stadium & build again & can you see them granting it? Not only that but we will need the council on side for all sorts of reasons & not only are they against us, they are PART of West Ham’s bid!!!

    Then there’s the issue of Leyton Orient & the fact we will be moving away from the area with which we are conected. Thhe FA have rules about that & they must approve any move made by a League club. Even if we win over the Olympic Legacy Committee we still need to get approval from the FA & seeing as tho we are moving away from our traditional home & virtually plant ourselves on top of Orient, in their traditional home, well, I’m sure Orient will have something to say about that as it would most likely put them out of business & will certainly have a massive effect on them. The FA cannot allow that.

    Basically, it will be upsetting too many people, not just Spurs fans. People in positions of power & influence too.

    So, whilst I’m worried about it still, I just don’t see how it would be possible.
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    this is starting to get fvuking annoying now

    levy says that he understands the fans view on the olympic stadium and now it is announced that we will redevelop crystal palace

    if he understands our view then why is he still continuing with this bid?
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    To be fair, Woody, this hasn’t "just been announced". This has been part of our bid since the beginning & has been pretty widely reported for ages, so I don’t know why the Mail even bothered wit that story really.
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    Im gonna throw something in to kick around…… Im not an expert on these things so it could just be paranoid rambling.

    If ……& its a big if… we end up moving to pikeyville. What if all this stuff about knocking the Olympic Stadium down is bollox ……..(bear with me on this)…

    Is there a chance of us getting told later that the plans to knock it down are on hold untill say 2015. So in essence we will be forced to suffer the poor atmosphere of an athletics stadium for a year or so. With the sweetener that work will eventually start on the redevelopment.

    Then once we are lulled into a false sense of security they could slowly try to convince us that there is no need to redevelope, next thing you know theyve allocated the entire waiting list for season tickets (which is rumoured to be 30,000 & growing)…….bringing our total possible attendance up to 66,000 possibly 70,000 by then.

    Result? we get shafted and completely lose our atmosphere (something the Northumberland development project was designed around) and end up chanting at turf… 1/2 a mile from the pitch in a bodged conversion (Running tracks removed and replaced with seating and extended turf See below)……we lose the 12th man ……… but the Spurs finances win???

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    The question is, how many of those on the waiting list, and even those are aren’t wouldn’t go to the new stadium or renew their tickets? If they lose fans because of the move it defeats the point of moving to a bigger stadium imo.
    aRTy,
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    Hey Bass, i thought i read that the FA has already given us their blessing to relocate to the OS if we were to win the bid.
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    Yes they have, the PL has approved the move…..they said they wouldnt stand in the way nor does it effect the other clubs around which is 1 of those PL rules i post earlier in the thread.
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    Well, if that’s the case, I’m sure Leyton Orient will have something to say about that as it will be impossible NOT to effect their revenue.
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    absolutely agree mate 100% would crush me
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    Tottenham’s chances of moving to the Olympic Stadium appear to have receded after legacy officials insisted a running track must remain at the venue.

    Baroness Ford, chair of the Olympic Park Legacy Company (OPLC), insists that, contrary to Tottenham’s plans, athletics must be accommodated.

    "Bidders would have to meet the Olympic promise for use of an athletics stadium – that has not changed," she said.

    West Ham have also submitted a proposal to move to the stadium after the Games.

    Baroness Ford insisted the legacy company remains committed to a future for the 80,000-seater stadium that includes more than just football.

    While keeping options open makes good business sense. I would be disgusted if the new development at WHL does not go ahead

    "We want this to be a mixed use and sports stadium," she said, emphasising that there has been "no change" in the pledge that athletics would benefit for the Games.

    Hugh Robertson, who was made Olympics minister in May, reinforced Baroness Ford’s message.

    "Athletics was an absolute core part our bid and it will continue to be part of it," he said.

    However Tottenham, who have already been granted permission for a separate new stadium on the site of their current White Hart Lane ground, do not believe the economics of a multi-sport stadium add up.

    Tim Leiweke, president of the sports and events company Anschutz Entertainment Group (AEG) – partners in Tottenham’s bid – said on Tuesday it would be "a crime if you sacrifice having a perfect football stadium…to do a track and field event every 10 years."

    Over the last five years AEG has successfully reinvented the Millennium Dome, which is around three miles from the Olympic Park, as the O2 Arena, a concert and events venue.

    The American company and Tottenham’s plans for the 2012 Games centrepiece were announced the day after they had received planning permission for their favoured option of a new 56,250-seater stadium on or around the site of their current home.

    By contrast to their London rivals, West Ham have proposed to retain the track as part of a joint scheme with Newham Council.

    A 60,000-capacity stadium with the ability to host athletics, music and community events alongside the Premier League side’s home games is planned.

    The development would seem to comply with the Games organisers’ intentions when they built the venue and the commitments made in London’s successful bid to host the event.

    The then-Olympics minister Tessa Jowell described the stadium as "a purpose-built home for athletics for generations to come" during London’s presentation to the International Olympic Committee in July 2005.

    UK Athletics, which has backed West Ham’s proposal, has attacked Tottenham’s surprise bid for the stadium with chairman Ed Warner describing their application as "apparently frivolous".

    Crystal Palace, the traditional home of athletics, underwent a £1.5m upgrade in 2004 but is considered unsuitable for major events.

    Lord Coe, who is chairman of the London Organising Committee for the 2012 Games, has suggested that a bid to host the 2015 World Championships could be based around the Olympic Stadium.

    The legacy company hope to make a decision on a preferred tenant for the stadium in December and have a lease agreed by mid-March
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    knowing our luck we’ll get the right to the OS, because no matter what any official says, it doesn’t made a difference on the decision, just look at FIFA and the WC 2018 & 2022 bids

    because once we’ve got the rights and everything goes to plan with the NDP, what do we do? refuse it and then it takes another 2 years to decide who gets it?
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    London News | London Evening Standard – London’s newspaper


    Tottenham and West Ham face £20m deposit if they get Olympic Stadium
    Matthew Beard, Sports News Correspondent
    22 Dec 2010


    Tottenham and West Ham will have to pay a bond, thought to be £20million, if they buy the Olympic stadium.

    The deposit, revealed by Sports minister Hugh Robertson, will ensure the winner does not back out of the move with Spurs’ other option being a new ground at White Hart Lane.

    Mr Robertson said the Olympic Park Legacy Company board will meet on 28 January to decide the future of the £500m state-owned stadium.

    In a Lords debate last night he said: “I am absolutely sure that some form of deposit or bond will be taken from whichever preferred bidder emerges.”


    This is of course speculation – and it seems as though Mr Robertson doesn’t actually know – which is a little alarming as he is sports minister.

    But it may be we have to pay a bond (presumably refundable) if we go forward as the prefered bidder at the end of January.

    This has some pretty significant implications if true.

    1 – it means spurs will presumably back out if it is not serious about the olympic option (this is a non-refundable arrangement so it would be folly to hand over the cash with no intention of getting it back)

    2 – it may mean West Ham’s bid pulls out sooner rather than later as it is very possible that Newham Council will not be able to secure a funding package in time and would then not be able to hand over a large sum it might later decide it can’t get back.
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    so basically we are paying 1/3 of the extra funding needed for the NDP

    pointless
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    Not sure if this has been posted elsewhere, but I found it quite interesting.

    I’ve been saying for a while that there is no way we can move to East London because of all the other clubs we would be effecting who are already based in that area. That goes against the rules of the Premier League & I could not see how they would OK it.

    Miraculously, the Premier League then went and OK’d it, lol!

    Well, it appears this point has not gone unnoticed with our rivals & those clubs whom we would be effecting. West Ham have had their lawyers on it &, over the past few weeks, have written numerous letters to the Premier League. They might even take legal action should Tottenham end up with the Olympic site.

    Premier League bosses broke their own rules
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    [MENTION=1627]basskadet[/MENTION] and the mirror says Beckham if brought is will be helping our bid with the OS
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    Yeah, I saw that spursman –

    its a load of nonsense. Just what is Beckham going to do exactly? He’s only with us for 2 months, & the decision is made at the end. If he is going to train & play for us, which e obviously will, just when is he going to get the time to act as a politician?

    And if it is just about his influence, well, I’m not sure what influence he is supposed to have over the Olympic Legacy Committee – especially as he was part of the original bid that said the stadium had to keep the track. If he then became the face of the bid which proposed no track then he just could not be taken seriously.

    I guarantee that is people just realising he helped the Olympic bid (& he did not do that much really) & that the decision just happens to be being made during his time in London. It’ll make no difference.
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    Good answer lol.
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    All adds to the prestige of the club though doesn’t it? Hard to reject the big-time Champion’s League Charlies for the relegation fodder ain’t it?
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    The Met Police would object to it as well. How could we play the Scum at the OS with the Spammers at home against Millwall. There would be riots on the east end streets. This is a non starter.










    I hope :y14:
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    Big thanks to Seb Coe for all your help keep up the good work!!
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    That’s impossible anyway Mal. The fixtures are already designed so that we do not play Home games on the same days.
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    this is shit , **** THE OS
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    Levy is a shrewd business man and although as a fan I don’t agree with the Olympic move at all…as a business tactic it is quite brilliant posturing. The figures being tossed around (judge the validity at own discretion) for the Northumberland Development Project is around 400-450 million while the Olympic Stadium is going to run half of that around 200 million….a VERY sizable difference….if the club can save 200 million potentially I understand the reasoning for the move. But above that I think its a game of attrition, I honestly do think Levy wants to keep Spurs where they are, however he wants some financial concessions (as Arsenal got) and a little more leniency from the local council. Simply put the Olympic Stadium option is a bargaining chip to gain some sort of leverage…in hoping that the local council and other parties involved will cave in and make the Northumberland project much more economically favorable. It is a stare down to an extent and Levy is hoping that the other party will blink first, though if it doesn’t pan out I think he won’t hesitate to make the move east.

    The rules and regs being tossed about should be followed to a T but realistically they can and are bent….face it, bigger clubs have bigger pull. If United, Spurs, and Chelsea really want something while Wigan, Blackpool, and West Brom are opposed…..who do you think the Prem. and FA would bend more for. I think thats why the higher ups at West Ham have been so vocal and defensive against the move….I think they realize Spurs can certainly push their weight around and certainly have more pull where it counts; concurrently I think that’s why Spurs have been quieter and have not encountered road blocks to the move. I feel West Ham feel more threatened they are going to loose the bid to Spurs rather than Spurs moving east to their turf.

    I realize this will be a very unpopular position but I have to say as a fan I would be devastated if Spurs moved but being rational about the whole situation and looking at the significant financial chasm between the two proposals it would be hard for me to hold it against Levy and the higher ups if they did move. I’m still hoping there is some compromise which can be reached and Spurs can stay put….hoping for the best and prepping for the worst.
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